Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

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Post by dragonfire111 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:10 pm

knowing his stance of graphics>gameplay its only a matter of time before he insults minecraft i wouldnt mentioned it around him DP.

also ana about your stance on the indie market you can talk all the shit you want, but untill you put out something worthwhile you may as well be yelling at a wall because noone gives a shit about people who are all talk.


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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by BladedgeX on Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:12 pm

Ratchet's not overpowered. He's punishable up close especially when he whiffs. His strength is his oki anyways but other characters can really wreck Ratchet with better range and close up options. (Nathan Drake, Fat P, and Kratos anyone?). He's good but he's not MetaKat tier. The people that you're probably looking to call overpowered are probably Kat and Cole. 

Plus, Isaac got nerfed to the ground (along with Zeus getting a few nerfs lololol ironic). May he rest in pieces.


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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by DP on Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:13 pm

He already mentioned it, Dragon, that's why I used it lol.
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by dragonfire111 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:18 pm

oh im really zoning out today hahaha XP

anyway i highly doubt he could make anything near the level of quality that meat boy or minecraft are
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by BigBox on Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:37 am

A simple correction, Meat Boy and Minecraft aren't quality.  They're insanely overrated crap in a market that doesn't have much competition.  Aside from Keiji's new game, the indie market has no real competition.
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Post by DP on Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:19 am

Except for the literal thousands of indie games that came out a year. There seems to be no competition because popular indie games aren't that common, but it's not common because it's not easy to make a game that can grow a following with fewer than 20 developers. 

Also, the competition for indie platformers like Super Meat Boy is insane. Look at any flash platformers (including the original Meat Boy game), I Wanna Be the Guy, or the dozens of other indie platformers on the market. Twitch play and memorization is a big market in the indie crowd. 

Minecraft doesn't have competition because it's Minecraft; it does what it does better than anybody else (because it's been out and updating for the past 4 years). Even then, there were literally six different Minecraft clones at the tip of the XBLIG download list a few years back, and they've only multiplied since then. 

An absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Just because you don't see competition doesn't mean it's not there. Another case in point: There are several Smash flash games out there. You wouldn't know it, because Smash Flash has been the most successful by far, but there are others fighting for success too.

Stop treating your opinion as fact, because it's not even close to the near unanimous consensus. I don't like Minecraft, but I'm not gonna call it a bad game because I think that. There are millions of people that love the game; it's probably the most played game of all time, already.
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Post by BigBox on Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:24 am

In all honesty though, I'm approaching the indie market with a Nintendo mind set.  I don't really care what everyone else is doing, I'll do my own thing and let everyone do whatever.  When it comes down to it, I'm not going to compete with anyone.  I'm just gonna make a good game, if people buy it.  Then they buy it.  If they don't.  Then they clearly didn't buy, and it's time to hit the drawing board again.  As long as I stick to the, "easy to play, hard to master" formula I'll do just fine.
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by DP on Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:57 am

See, you should say THAT publicly. That's a way to go as far as PR goes.
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Post by BigBox on Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:20 am

Not only that, but because it's true.
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by DP on Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:27 am

Of course. Doing what you wanna do is respectable. Nobody can down you for that. Saying what you wanna do is superior, that's where a line must be drawn.
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by dragonfire111 on Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:25 am

yeah you gotta watch it nobody likes a pretentious douchebag dev (see Tameem and Phil Fish)
plus making a game by oneself can be done well Pixl did it with cave story and that game was incredible (though im sure you hate that game too *rolls eyes*)
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by Piratemankelly on Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:31 pm

It's pixel art, 'ennit?

Must be shit.
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by BigBox on Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:39 pm

That's because Cave Story is crap, awful gameplay, topped with 20+ year old and outdated graphics.  However, Ron Gillbert's The Cave isn't.  It puts Cave Story to the corner of shame.

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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by DP on Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:39 pm

Which brings me right back to "stop treating your opinion as fact."
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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by dragonfire111 on Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:33 pm

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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by BigBox on Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:44 pm

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Re: Sequelitis - ZELDA: A Link to the Past vs. Ocarina of Time

Post by lpool1996moh on Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:10 pm

dragonfire111 wrote:i think he needs this http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/
bringing it back!!! i remember you using this on An...Noc. it was noc. they are maybe possibly not the same person.

again, reiterating whats been said, they way you carry yourself in terms of PR ana, is all wrong, your setting yourself up for a hard, hard fall. your game is gonna be expensive due to your hatred of anything pixely (Which is a synonym for Suicide in the indie community) so if people don't latch on your down alot of money and they won't latch on because of your superior attitude. 

Also whatever about Minecraft (Which probably is overrated without mod kits, but mods are awesome for it) do NOT diss Super Meat Boy. it controls SOO well, probably the best controlling platformer this decade. see those mario games? Meatboy makes mincemeat (hehe) of their mechanics. and i haven't even played much of it, its soo smooth. 

still best of luck in your endeavors, just change your attitude towards other games a bit, alot entirely
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