8th Generation General Discussion

Page 1 of 10 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:58 pm

We've had a thread for each console in the new gen but it's time we just get this one out there to lower the amount of filler threads we've had on the consoles. This way, topics involving two or more of the consoles don't need to be relegated to a new thread or to only one of the main console threads. And I'll sticky this so we don't have another issue of the missing Wii U General thread leading to me posting my "One important feature" thread a few weeks back or the common news threads we get. Essentially, this is the 8th Gen console version of the Smash news thread.

Before I mention the stuff I was gonna post in a new thread initially (but later became inspired to set this up), I'll say this. THERE WILL BE NO INTENTIONAL AGITATION OF OTHERS, NO FLAMING, NO TROLLING, AND NO SELF-AGGRANDIZING CONSOLE SUPERIORITY COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD.

Now, I mentioned the Wii U thread because I always lose track of it and end up posting new threads. This is what I was gonna post:

1. Minecraft is most likely coming to Wii U now as well as the other next gen consoles.
2. The Wii U Gamepad extended battery is out now in the States. Neither of the above two matter to me but hey, it's nice for those who need it.
3. Sony Worldwide Interactive Entertainment's President Shuhei Yoshida has again praised the suffering console. Not only does he have two as he mentioned in October, he praised Mario and claimed that the Wii U "is just getting started."
4. Gran Turismo 7 should be out in 2015, around when they drop the PS4's price. There's also a first party JRPG apparently on the way (LoD2 plz)
5. The PS4 has outsold the Bone 2-1 on eBay. This really means NOTHING since it's not indicative of anything except that more people have tried selling PS4s on eBay, but I figured I'd mention it anyway.

Links: http://www.cinemablend.com/m/games/Minecraft-Coming-Wii-U-61240.html
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-u-gamepad-high-capacity-battery-now-available-promises-8-hours-of-use/1100-6416842/
http://wiiudaily.com/2013/12/yoshida-on-wii-u/
http://www.examiner.com/article/gran-turismo-7-release-date-ps4-price-drop-and-exclusive-jrpg-discussed
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/12/ps4-outselling-xbox-one-nearly-2-to-1-on-ebay/
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:24 pm

Deep Down trademarked in US: http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/03/deep-down-capcom-trademarks-ps4-exclusive-in-north-america/
PS4 users use it for porn 300% more than Xbox One users: http://m.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/625419-more-porn-watched-on-ps4
PS4 might have a VR add-on: http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2014/01/03/ps4-developers-next-project-hints-at-sony-vr-headset/
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:56 pm

Nintendo is forced to pay 1.36 percent of every 3DS sale to a company due to patent infringement. http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/1/6/5279658/nintendo-ordered-to-pay-royalty-damages-after-patent-suit-loss

Not a huge blow but it's a tad surprising to see that Nintendo lost the suit.

Edit: sorry, 1.82 percent*
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by BigBox on Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:33 pm

I'm honestly not surprised.
avatar
BigBox
Metal Gear Ray
Metal Gear Ray

Posts : 2983
Join date : 2013-03-04
Location : Irvine, California

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:27 pm

From what I can dig up, the company that sued is just a patent troll, which is why Nintendo fought the suit. Normally you can win the suit against patent trolls, or settle lightly. (Though I guess Nintendo DID settle lightly, since the plaintiff wanted well over 2%.)
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by dragonfire111 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:12 pm

DP wrote:From what I can dig up, the company that sued is just a patent troll, which is why Nintendo fought the suit. Normally you can win the suit against patent trolls, or settle lightly. (Though I guess Nintendo DID settle lightly, since the plaintiff wanted well over 2%.)
well the case was done in the US where the judges gladly listens to the ridiculous shit patent trolls say
need i remind anyone of apple rounded edge rectangle phone thing
the worst part is that the patent is about using the 3D cameras to determine user location, and adjusting 3D display accordingly.  which the 3ds doesnt even do
avatar
dragonfire111
King of Dreamland
King of Dreamland

PSN : dragonfire111
Posts : 3443
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 25
Location : Everywhere yet Nowhere

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by BigBox on Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:22 pm

It's still a patent for a 3D camera, I think that the right side won this case and the Big N has plenty of money.  So, there's really nothing to complain about.
avatar
BigBox
Metal Gear Ray
Metal Gear Ray

Posts : 2983
Join date : 2013-03-04
Location : Irvine, California

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by dragonfire111 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:42 pm

no patent trolls are never the right side they patent something stupid and then when someone makes something good that even slightly resembles the patent they leech off of them planning on doing no actual work themselves

and if they are in the right here then apparently so is apple for patenting a fucking shape
avatar
dragonfire111
King of Dreamland
King of Dreamland

PSN : dragonfire111
Posts : 3443
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 25
Location : Everywhere yet Nowhere

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by BigBox on Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:48 pm

In this case, I don't think they were a patent troll by any means. I think that this company have a legitimate claim to their patent and had a legitimate right to have their case looked at.
avatar
BigBox
Metal Gear Ray
Metal Gear Ray

Posts : 2983
Join date : 2013-03-04
Location : Irvine, California

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by dragonfire111 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:52 pm

but the 3ds cant even do what the patent states thats like patenting a wheel then claiming tank treads because they both move probably a terrible analogy but whatever
what if a similar thing happened to sony then how would you feel
avatar
dragonfire111
King of Dreamland
King of Dreamland

PSN : dragonfire111
Posts : 3443
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 25
Location : Everywhere yet Nowhere

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:02 pm

It DID happen to Sony. Anybody remember when they lost over a hundred million bucks on the DualShock's use of vibration?

What's worse, the patents that were allegedly violated were NOTHING like the vibrating mechanisms that Microsoft (they also got sued and purchased some of the plaintiff company as a way to end the suit) and Sony had been using; the patents were to be used for virtual reality and to be worn like fucking Powergloves. Because of the broken way the US copyright and patent systems work, though, the company that sued was able to argue, and won a lawsuit on the argument that they owned the concept of vibration. Nintendo, however, didn't get sued in this despite having used vibration, because they owned a Japanese patent years before the one being infringed was filed in the US. At least Nintendo's patent was filed SPECIFICALLY FOR A GODDAMN GAMING PERIPHERAL though.

Fuck patents. The company that sued Sony/MS owns 700 patents and have never done anything notable ever BESIDES suing Sony/MS. Which, in related news, is EXACTLY what Tomita Electric does: Nothing. Look at their site here and look at the patent. They are completely unrelated, and the patent was filed solely to wait for a company to use something similar so that they could sue for big bucks.

And, I'll quote somebody from Polygon on the details of the patent:
To be specific, Tomita’s patent is for using cameras to determine the player’s position relative to the display, to determine the correct image to maintain a 3D illusion. The 3DS, on the other hand, assumes a specific position. It does have a 3D rear camera, but that can’t determine the user’s position. They are, in other words, totally different things.

And on the subject of patent trolling, Nintendo LITERALLY just won the patents to a patent-troll company that unsuccessfully sued them over Wii Fit three years ago.
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by BigBox on Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:30 pm

At the end of the day a 3D camera is a 3D camera either way.
avatar
BigBox
Metal Gear Ray
Metal Gear Ray

Posts : 2983
Join date : 2013-03-04
Location : Irvine, California

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:36 pm

One is a lens used to change how the 3D visuals appear to you based on your relation to the lens. The other is a camera. The former HAS to be mounted on the face-side of a device to work in any way, and the latter is mounted on the back. I'd argue apples and oranges, but in this case, one of these isn't even a friggin' fruit.
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by lpool1996moh on Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:39 pm

its more like...Oranges and Tires for example.
avatar
lpool1996moh
All-Star
All-Star

PSN : lpool1996moh
Posts : 7891
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 21
Location : Ireland

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by dragonfire111 on Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:48 pm

dp i think you mean fuck patents in the US we let companys get away with so much shit if the court was in japan i guarantee this would not have happened
avatar
dragonfire111
King of Dreamland
King of Dreamland

PSN : dragonfire111
Posts : 3443
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 25
Location : Everywhere yet Nowhere

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by lpool1996moh on Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:54 pm

and if it was in Europe...we probably would have to give the patents to greece to help em out.
avatar
lpool1996moh
All-Star
All-Star

PSN : lpool1996moh
Posts : 7891
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 21
Location : Ireland

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:52 pm

Nintendo finally slashed its predicted U numbers for the fiscal year, down from 9 million cumulative to 2.8 million for FY2013. Iwata expects a $335 million operating loss, but a net loss of only $25 million. Iwata claims that there won't be any management changes yet, as well.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/17/5318220/nintendo-forecasts-335m-operating-loss
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA0G09M20140117?irpc=932 (sorry for mobile)

I'm surprised they took this long, but also surprised they expect such a low benchmark with Mario Kart on the way. Unless that's gonna get delayed...

Either way, I'd be hard-pressed to say that this is a surprise or even all that important. They could lose this kind of (net) money every year from now until the PS5 and still be worth as much as Sony is. Hopefully that doesn't happen of course; with the Wii U shaping up to be another GameCube, I doubt we'll see another loss next year.
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by BigBox on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:39 pm

Saw this happening, as I play close attention to these things and this no surprise to me since the Wii U is doing so bad.  We'll be saying good bye to Iwata before we know it.

P.S: I wouldn't expect Mario Kart to sell 2 million units as its total numbers made up majority of Wii's already sold when it came out.  By the end of this year, the Wii U will have sold no more than 10 million units in its total since release.
avatar
BigBox
Metal Gear Ray
Metal Gear Ray

Posts : 2983
Join date : 2013-03-04
Location : Irvine, California

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:37 pm

There was a massive sales boost from MKWii's launch though so that isn't a valid argument. That is one of the games that tips the scale of price vs. worth.

And I doubt Iwata goes anywhere since this is the same guy responsible for Nintendo's only resounding home success in over 10 years. A world recession plus a stubborn gaming company will always equal a few losses, especially in the jump to HD (look at the 7th gen companies' operating incomes during the first few years of launch, or even developers like Square). Nintendo has been known to look after its own very well.
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by lpool1996moh on Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:50 pm

yeah but i will admit the Wii seemed like a much better value for money. the problem now is the people are either uninformed and think its a really expensive Wii add on or are informed and know the Ps4 and X1 are better value for money in the long run. i wonder how much Mario Kart will help, although i do think it will be a huge boost and i do think Anacondas 10 Mill figure is way too pessimistic it won't break 25 million in a long time. 

that said around the time MK and Smash launch is also the time i'd expect Gamers to be picking up a second console. question is will they hold up to Second Son and Titanfall....probably.
avatar
lpool1996moh
All-Star
All-Star

PSN : lpool1996moh
Posts : 7891
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 21
Location : Ireland

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:02 pm

The more I hear about Titanfall, the more I realize it's gonna be mediocre. This is a cross-gen game that promises highly detailed maps and up to 50 soldiers on the battlefield at the same time, including full-AI mechs (well, allegedly full AI). Second Son should be good but could also easily fall into the mediocre category if the different abilities aren't fully fleshed out.

I'm still predicting 15 million Us worldwide by the end of the year, give or take two million. That would mean a massive leap, but given the jumps we've seen from past Smash games, as well as the bump Mario Kart will give, I can still see 10 million sales for this year. But that will be VERY close, and it may depend on a Zelda release to get there (Hyrule Warriors gives the U a big boost in Japan as well but I'd need Zelda's usual sales to reach my goal).
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by lpool1996moh on Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:28 pm

oh yeah every announcement makes that clear, But Titanfall has a hype train soo... Second Son...i trust Sucker Punch it will at least be as good as inFamous 2 but look a lot better. just looking at it the movements are smoother but i want a proper look at Melee. and we haven't seen much shooting either. just navigation. the one thing i'm proper worried about is touch pad integration, but thats discussion for another time.

15 mill seems reasonable, i'd say this will be its biggest year as the Competition is only going to go down in price, get better services and better games, both first and third party. given two of their biggest sale jumpers are hitting this year, one TBA (A REAL Zelda) and one gone with little effect on sales comparatively (Mario 3D), if its still in trouble, THEN we worry. but yeah 15_20 Million Range with a 35 million lifetime is my predictions. not that bad, not good just average. because thats what the U is. sure the games will be great as always, but its gonna have exactly the same problems Wii did without the casual pull and this time its hitting sales. No real third party support, outdated hardware, over reliance on motion controls, horrible network, Miiverse functions aside, little to no use outside being a gaming machine (Steam machines that don't double boot another OS will be in similar circumstances. Should we discuss those things here. those poor, confused things.) and a slew of new problems. 

i'd say the U could be sunk or saved by what Retro does next, especially since they could be with Miyamoto. i'm following the U alot, its the story of the gen no one can predict. the others will do great (set some records, be neck in neck), Steam Machines will flop, 3DS will set records galore unchallenged and Vita will have a solid Niche following when more solid games come out, probably JRPGs like on PSP. the U though...who knows.

i'm just rambling now. but saying the U is done is not on, but it does need saving, fast.
avatar
lpool1996moh
All-Star
All-Star

PSN : lpool1996moh
Posts : 7891
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 21
Location : Ireland

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:19 pm

I'm not expecting anything as big as the 3DS's miraculous comeback but since there is always a few hundred thousand SKUs that jump off shelves around a Nintendo game's launch, I expect something to push Nintendo back in the black for FY2014.
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by lpool1996moh on Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:24 pm

yeah but not by much. they aren't in trouble but they aren't well off either. then again what company isn't like that in todays climate huh? 

its exciting to say the least.
avatar
lpool1996moh
All-Star
All-Star

PSN : lpool1996moh
Posts : 7891
Join date : 2012-08-27
Age : 21
Location : Ireland

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by DP on Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:02 am

The part about today's climate is really my number one factor here. There's a dedicated Nintendo base out there about 15 million strong (not counting all the kids that love the games), but not everyone can afford $300 in this worldwide recession. Since 2014 is supposed to bring us fully out of it, I expect a lot of purchases come the likely holiday price drop (though not excessive amounts, because many will be very weary to spend much, just like the post-Depression world was).

I still laugh at the people that expect them to go the way of Sega and either drop out or hastily make a new console to make up for this one. Even with big changes on the way for their business model, that's just a stupid expectation since this dedicated games company is still worth a billion dollars more than one of the biggest tech companies on the planet.
avatar
DP
Staff
Staff

PSN : DivinePaladin27
Posts : 6514
Join date : 2012-09-01
Age : 21
Location : Pennsylvania

View user profile http://GamingNewsHub.com

Back to top Go down

Re: 8th Generation General Discussion

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 10 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum